Beren Válasz | 2005. február 05. 23:29 | Sorszám: 454
Szinte mindenről hazudnak történelmüket illetően. Jeruzsálem Kr.u. 614-es feldúlását, a keresztények tömeges lemészárlását pl. a perzsákra kenik, vagy elhallgatják.

Az pedig, mondhatni nem lep meg, hogy egy cionista szelektíven idéz, Strategos (és nem Stategos) szerzetes ui. így folytatja(ez most egy másik cikk, az eredeti forrás angol változata, moderátor!):

Thereupon the vile Jews, enemies of the truth and haters of Christ, when they perceived that the Christians were given over into the hands of the enemy, rejoiced exceedingly, because they detested the Christians; and they conceived an evil plan in keeping with their vileness about the people. For in the eyes of the Persians their importance was great, because they were the betrayers of the Christians. And in this season then the Jews approached the edge of the reservoir and called out to the children of God, while they were shut up therein, and said to them: "If ye would escape from death, become Jews and deny Christ; and then ye shall step up from your place and join us. We will ransom you with our money, and ye shall be benefited by us." But their plot and desire were not fulfilled, their labours proved to be in vain; because the children of the Holy Church chose death for Christ's sake rather than to live in godlessness: and they reckoned it better for their flesh to be punished, rather than their souls ruined, so that their portion were not with the Jews. And when the unclean Jews saw the steadfast uprightness of the Christians and their immovable faith, then they were agitated with lively ire, like evil beasts, and thereupon imagined an other plot. As of old they bought the Lord from the Jews with silver, so they purchased Christians out of the reservoir; for they gave the Persians silver, and they bought a Christian and slew him like a sheep. The Christians however rejoiced because they were being slain for Christ's sake and shed their blood for His blood, and took on themselves death in return for His death....

When the people were carried into Persia, and the Jews were left in Jerusalem, they began with their own hands to demolish and burn such of the holy churches as were left standing....

How many souls were slain in the reservoir of Mamel! How many perished of hunger and thirst! How many priests and monks were massacred by the sword! How many infants were crushed under foot, or perished by hunger and thirst, or languished through fear and horror of the foe! How many maidens, refusing their abominable outrages, were given over to death by the enemy! How many parents perished on top of their own children! How many of the people were bought up by the Jews and butchered, and became confessors of Christ! How many persons, fathers, mothers, and tender infants, having concealed themselves in fosses and cisterns, perished of darkness and hunger! How many fled into the Church of the Anastasis, into that of Sion and other churches, and were therein massacred and consumed with fire! Who can count the multitude of the corpses of those who were massacred in Jerusalem?
a lényeg röviden:
"Mint ahogy régen az Urat vásárolták meg ezüstért, úgy vásárolták meg a (zsidók) a keresztényeket a víztározóból... Hány lelket öltek meg a mameli víztározónál! Hányat hánytak kardélre! Hány fiatal lány, aki undorító meggyalázását visszautasította, halt ott meg!.. Hány szülő pusztult el miután saját gyermeke halálát látta! Hányat lemészároltak! Ki tudja kiszámolni, hogy mekkora tömeget mészároltak le Jeruzsálemben!"

Strategos 66,509 keresztény áldozatról tesz jelentést, ebből 24,518 -at találtak Mamelnél, és ennél sokkal többet a város területén. későbbi keresztény krónikások, mint a görög Theophanes (818 körül) 90 000 keresztény halottról írt.

Translated by F. Conybeare, "Antiochus Strategos' Account of the Sack of Jerusalem (614)," English Historical Review 25 [1910], p 506-508. Reprinted in Deno Geanokoplos, Byzantium, (Chicago: 1984), 334-335, 266-67

Encyclopaedia Britannica

ezt a szócikket is nyalván valéami zsidrák követte el, és senkinek nem tűnt fel a turpisság

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Account of the fall of Jerusalem to the Persians in 614, by the monk Antiochus Stategos, who live din the monastary (lavra) of St. Sabas inJerusalem:

The beginning of the struggle of the Persians with the Christians of Jerusalem was on the 15th April, in the second indiction, in the fourth year of the Emperor Heraclius. They spent twenty days in the struggle. And they shot from their ballistas with such violence, that on the twenty-first day they broke down the city wall. Thereupon the evil; foemen entered the city in great fury, like infuriated wild beasts and irritated serpents. The men however, who defended the city wall fled, and hid themselves in caverns, fosses and cisterns in order to save themselves; and the people in crowds fled into churches and altars; and there they destroyed them. For the enemy entered in a mighty wrath, gnashing their teeth in violent fury; like evil beasts they roared, bellowed like lions, hissed like ferocious serpents, and slew all whom they found. Lile mad dogs they tore with their teeth the flesh of the faithful, and respected non at all, neither male nor female, neither young nor old, neither child nor baby, neither priest no monk, neither virgin nor widow….

Meanwhile the evil Persians, who had no pity in their hearts, raced to every place in the city and with one accord extirpated all the people. Anyone who ran away in terror they caught hold of; and if any cried out from fear, they roared at them with gashing teeth, and by breaking their teeth on the ground forced them to close their mouths. They slaughtered tender infants on the ground, and then with loud yelps called their parents.

ezt az Antiochus Stategos nevű szerzetes (amúgy kortárs és szemtanu) pedig nyalván egy betért zsidrák volt, aki lyóóóóól megtévesztette az utókort

"Jeruzsálem Kr.u. 614-es feldúlását, a keresztények tömeges lemészárlását pl. a perzsákra kenik, vagy elhallgatják. "

Nem is jártak arra perzsák? Ki hallgataj el a 614-ben történteket? Még én is hallottam róla. Szóval, kedves Beren, te ferdítesz megint.

Dávid (állítólag) nem név, hanem cím, rang, "parancsnok", "gomdviselő".
Számos bibliakutrász szerint Dávid és Elchánán ugyanaz, egyszer (általában) címével, másszor nevével jelölve.

Jogos.Tudtommal a vert pénzérmét majd csak Dávid után kb. 350 évvel a lidek találják ki:

Idézet:

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From examining the literature in detail, I believe that no coin can stake a better claim for being the world's first coin than the Lydian third stater, or trite, pictured above. This coin was minted around 600 BC in Lydia, Asia Minor (current-day Turkey), a country in close proximity to both the civilizations of Mesopotamia, from which ideas about money and much else originated, and the Greek colonies in Asia Minor, through which ideas about coinage and much else spread.

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"mert meg a zswidok sem talaltak semmi bizonyitekot David letezesere"

Régészeti bizonyiték tényleg nincs. De vajon Árpád fejedelem létezésére van régészeti bizonyíték? Ebben a korban más fejedelmek létezésére inkább van? Jobb lenne, persze ha lenne, de ebben az időben sajnos nem ritka, hogy csak a hagyomány maradt meg.

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